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My Dog Does Not Get Tired!
« on: August 21, 2010, 01:20 AM »
 Can anybody help me. Our RR Coleman is now 12 months old. We have been exercising him since we got him 10 months ago. We have not missed 1 day without exercise. That consist of 2 outings a day. One long walk and 1 shorter. We are extremely active athletes and have actually had to exercise our RR seperatly from our own training because we are being "responsible" puppy owners and don't want to damage our growing puppy. We have been jogging him on and off slowly on our walks preparing him for running. He is 85lbs right now. We have done alot of research trying to find out when we can start running him and have heard all sorts of different things. At our annual vet checkup he said you can run him, saying his major growing is done. We are not getting him to chase us on the bike or anything it will be jogging beside us. It is getting to the point that he does not tire! We can walk or hike him for hours sometimes 2 a day and he will nap and then is ready for more if he even naps. He is just full of energy which is understandable but come on after a 2 hour hike. I am wondering if I can start taking him on my trail runs consisting of 30 min to 1 hour runs. It has gotten to the point that he gets home after our walks and he will just run around like a freak wanting to play. For example my spouse had him and our friends dog out for a 1.5 hours today and the dogs were sprinting back and forth through the trees up the hills non stop, 7 hours later I was off work and had the 2 of them on a 1 hour hike up a 400 meter mountain. he napped for 3 hours because we were out, and we got home he is wanting to play with the friends dog who is sleeping and dead tired. We feel he needs to be tired out, which we can do. Any feedback would be much appreciated. We have heard these dogs can go and go which is why we chose a RR but when can we start getting him into more vigorous training. He shows no signs of fatigue under any of our walks of hikes. He is non stop!!! Is this normal for an RR puppy?

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Re: My Dog Does Not Get Tired!
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2010, 08:13 AM »
I would not start running him with you until until he is 2.

Hopefully, you get some good advice.

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Re: My Dog Does Not Get Tired!
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2010, 09:24 AM »
What are you doing to tire him out mentality?  Lots of people forget to stimulate and exercise a dog through their brains.  Get your dog a Buster Cube and put one of his meals in it, let him figure out how to get the food out.  Play the "Find It" game with treats.  Put the dog in a room, you go in another room, hide a bunch of treats then let the dog in that room, show him where one treat is hidden and say, "find it", he will quickly get the idea.  Also run through some obedience commands with long sits and stays with very enticing distractions.  Just having to sit while resisting indulging in whatever the distraction in is very mentality tiring.

I'm sure some others will come up with some ideas for you as well.  But as Melissa stated, wait until your dog is 2 before doing rigorous exercising.

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Re: My Dog Does Not Get Tired!
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2010, 09:28 AM »
Great Advice Pam!

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Re: My Dog Does Not Get Tired!
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2010, 09:28 AM »
Your dog sounds like our first ridgeback. It was hard to tire him physically.
Have you tried to tire him mentally? Nosework is excellent for that. Either do tracking outside ( whatever scent you fell is apropiate) or try activities indoor. Therese Are good puzzles for dogs, you hide a treat inside a puzzle and the dog Mustafa try to open it to get the treat.

Good luck.

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Re: My Dog Does Not Get Tired!
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2010, 09:34 AM »
Hmpf...
That is how a post will look like when you write it on a phone with a Norwegian dictionary that switches the 'incorrect' words automatically.

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Re: My Dog Does Not Get Tired!
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2010, 03:40 PM »
We appreciate the advice, however I think our dog "is not like the others".  We have tried EVERYTHING ... including putting his meals in cones, hiding toys around around the house, practicing sit, stay, come etc.  We could do that for 20 hours straight with him, but at some point, as active as we are, we'd like to sit down for at least 30 minutes before bed and relax.  It's like our dog has ADD or something.  For example we just got back from a 10km trail hike, over two hours and the whole time our dog Coleman and a friends dog were running up and down the hills, in and out of the bush, chasing rabbit, deer and birds, and swimming in lake.  Now we're home and our friend's dog has quietly layed down on his bed and gone to sleep ... our dog is standing over top of him barking histarically, jumping over top of him because he wants to play.  This has been going on for over an hour.  The other dog was fast asleep and now has started to growl at Coleman, yet Coleman's tail is wagging and he's running back and forth ready for playtime.  WTF??  Our dog is completely relentess.  And he's very socialized.  We live right beside a huge dog park where we take him every day.  He plays with at least 20-30 different dogs a week.  I don't get it.  Every other RR owner we meet makes a comment that they have never seen an RR like ours.  He just doesn't stop, plus he's extremely social, not reserved with strangers and LOVES everybody (which is a very good thing as far as we're concern) but he just won't relax.
He has 2 big comfy beds in the living room but instead, even after a long 3 hour hike, he will stand in the kitchen while I bake for 3-4 hours.  He won't even sit, he actually stands the whole time, even though he could watch me lying on his bed. 
We're very active and spend a lot of time camping and backpacking, that's why we chose the RR as a family pet.  But if we can't run him until 2 years old and then they're considered senior at 7 years old, I'm afraid we'll never get this breed again if we can really only enjoy his athletism for 5 years.  We think that's ludicrous to wait until 2 years to run him.  How come our vets say it's no problem to run him now?  It's very frusterating all the conflicting advice out there.  I guess we just have to do what's best for us. 

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Re: My Dog Does Not Get Tired!
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2010, 04:40 PM »
Unlike Melissa, I would think that at a year a young RR can do some runs with you.  I would take it easy at first and try to keep to soft ground if you can, take a couple of breaks along the way so he can catch his breath, but it would seem to me that he should be able now to go on some of your runs with you.

One thing I think you must do is if he starts being obnoxious and standing over your friends dog barking at him, be very firm with him and tell him to be quiet and go and lie down.  If he ignores you, grab his collar and put him in a crate for a while.  My four month old can be like that with Hintza and most of the time Hintza's pretty tolerant, but once in a while he will have had enough and turn on the puppy.  To avoid one of them getting hurt, I would rather pull the puppy away and put him in a crate for a time out.  I think he is like a child who gets over excited and doesn't know when enough is enough.  I would certainly be firm with him if he is standing over you in the kitchen.  That is a real pain and you can trip over him so easily with your hands full. 

I don't know about Ridgebacks being senior citizens at 7.  I know a number who are actively and successfully coursing at that age and older.  I would hope that they wouldn't slow down for a number of years.  My old girl, who is going to be 11 has only noticeably slowed during the last year, but if the weather is cool and she is feeling good, she is game to go for a nice long hike.  Writing them off at 7 is a little extreme.  They aren't a giant breed and have a lifespan usually of 12 years provided their health remains good.

In short I think you are going to have to take a firmer hand with Coleman and treat him like an overexcited child. 

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Re: My Dog Does Not Get Tired!
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2010, 04:41 PM »
Brian,

Have you tried obedience classes, I'm not talking about puppy kindergarten, but real obedience classes?  If not, that should be on your calendar of things to do asap.  Your dog should be able to "chill out" on demand, if you haven't taught him to "relax" then you aren't teaching him the basic obedience he needs.  I'm afraid you are concentrating too much on forced runs and not enough on mental activities.

I'm not sure what you mean by not being able to enjoy his athleticism...if he is playing at the dog park daily, running with friends off leash chasing rabbits, etc. now...why can't you enjoy him doing that now?  If that isn't athleticism, I don't know what is.  The reason you are being told that you shouldn't force run him on training runs at this age is because of the possible damage that can be done to his bones and joints.  You really should resist the urge to force train him now for the health and well being of his later years.  And a 7 year old RR in good muscle and condition will be able to out run you, or any other human, trust me on that.  This goes for a 8 or 9 year old RR that had his bones and joints taken care of as a young dog.

There is nothing wrong with you letting your boy continue to free run as he is now with his buddies, you can even run along side of him while he's doing that but he must be allowed to run, walk, jump, etc. at his own pace until he is 2, if that is, you are interested in his long term health.


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Re: My Dog Does Not Get Tired!
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2010, 09:35 AM »
Very nice post Jesse! :-)

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Re: My Dog Does Not Get Tired!
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2010, 12:48 PM »
Sounds like we got a good canidate for lure coursing.

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Re: My Dog Does Not Get Tired!
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2010, 10:35 PM »
Hi Brian,

Jesse put up an excellent post yesterday explaining how valuable controlled on lead walks would enhance your leadership and mentally exhaust your RR.

In a nut shell, it was explaining how you need to be able to assert your self when he is exhibiting unwanted behavior that is not pent up energy related if he is exercised as much as he is; but more so related to you being able to say "enough is enough" as far as his unwanted behavior in the home and with regards to his basic manners in situations that are intrusive to you, your home and guests ;)

Try some structured obedience and on lead walks in a more controlled situation.

I am hoping Jesse can expound further to help you out and the post is not up due to my error - for that I am extremely sorry!!!
Best of Luck!
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Re: My Dog Does Not Get Tired!
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2010, 06:27 PM »
Best thing to tire an RR out is off leash play with other RR's (or other dogs of another breed!)

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Re: My Dog Does Not Get Tired!
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2010, 08:43 PM »
Sounds like he has a visitor to play with and I agree, time playing full throtle is a great release - I also think understanding when NO means NO from the owner is the last word.

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Re: My Dog Does Not Get Tired!
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2010, 12:51 AM »
Hey guys,

Hope all is well with your ridgeback!  Sorry it has taken so long for me to get back to you as it has been a busy month.  Essentially, the gist of my post was that it's not so much the physical activity that will wear your RR out as the mental activity.  Your RR has been bred with the ability to run up to 35 miles a day at a horses trotting pace.  You will never ever be able to mimic this type of physical exhaustion.  Moreover, the best way to exhaust your dog is simply by walking him/her 2 miles 2x a day on a short leash.  This walk is intended to be several things: a continuous training exercise (even effective for dogs who have been doing it for years), a bonding experience (the leash surprisingly is a very strong bonding tool as your dog can feel every emotion you have though that leash so its very important to be in the moment, in control, and the leader of the walk), finally a good release for energy (for the both of you). 

You, as a proud parent, can let your dog run free all day and at the end of that day that dog will still exhibit wild characteristics of a dog who hasnt been exercised at all.  If you walk your dog 2 miles a day 2x a day on a short leash (or on a long one with the slack pulled in) you can really make your dog think which will be more physically draining than running free all day.  It is important to note that when you walk him, make sure he understands this walk is not a walk for his entertainment.  This walk is for training.  He must follow you at every turn (change direction frequently without an indication of your doing so).  He must never walk ahead of you.  He must obey all commands (wait, sit, down, slow, etc..) and you must utilize these commands on every walk at random.  Many people use dog day packs to help in the exercise.  Dogs know once they have a pack on, the walk is no longer for "fun" its for work which is exactly what this walk is intended for...work. 

I'm not saying to not let your dog run free.  Dogs (especially RR's) are seekers so they need to be able to run free and sniff out new things, track new scents and play with other animals.  However, these activities need to be done after a walk is done.  You will see a monumental difference in your pets behavior in the house when you get a routine of strict walking as a means of exercise/discipline.  Many people think an acceptable means of exercise is taking your pet to the dog park and letting him play for 3 hours.  This is not so.  He will most definitely be tried for even a couple hours afterward, but most definitely will arise again to be even more wild post nap.  If you walk him prior to going to the dog park you will also find that his demeanor at the dog park with change too.  He will be more polite, socially intuitive and will also think more while there rather than running around like a wild goose. 

The only analogy I can draw is with kids.  If you took your kid to the park every day and cut him loose to play with others without any discipline or regimented schedule you would see a wild child at home regardless of how long you were at the park.  That kid needs to do his homework, chores, etc before you go to the park.  The same logic applies with dogs, especially RR's as they are innately stubborn, willful, and very intelligent.  This walk if you do it correctly will establish you as a dominant figure in the house, force your RR to think about what your next move will be and create a bond between the two of you that is irreplaceable.  Try it for a month.  Be firm but loving and be the leader of your walk.   

So pick up your leash, call your dog, and get outside and walk.

Good luck,  let me know how it goes.